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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2010, 06:06:55 PM »

I first read "Catcher in the Rye" when I was 13 or 14.  That over thirty years ago. I understood Holden and fell in love with the book instantly.

That you don't understand Holden may be a good thing. It also puts you in lock-step with the latest trend. The New York Times posted an article last year titled, "Get a Life, Holden Caulfield."

www.nytimes.com/2009/06/21/weekinreview/21schuessler.html


            "Teachers say teenagers just don't like Holden as much as they used to."

Like I said, that could be a good thing


I read the article, I don't feel quite like that about Holden. I do get the world rejection, the confusion, depression, "soul searching", etc. But I think he can be very contradicctory, he complains about people's fakeness, but he lies all of the time,  he wants interesting conversations, again, he lies most of the time when is having a conversation with someone. The reason why he seems to like Phoebe a lot, besides she being smart, I think is because she's very honest, like any kid of that age, the kind of honesty he can't find anywhere else, but,  again, he lies most of the time. There's no consistency beteween what he thinks and what he does.  He can get shallow, picky, snobby, that´s why I can't relate to him, or feel sympathy.
And, there's also the fact,  like the artcile says, that is not very clear if he´s "crazy", which would make a lot much sense.
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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2010, 06:13:29 PM »

^^^

Good observations.

Could it be that the things that he complains about the most are the things he is aware of in himself? Is everyone a phony or is he?
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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2010, 06:56:45 PM »

I am no psychologist, but that could be an explanation to his behavior.

I once read on interview Winona saying something like this "...then you realized that everyone else feels about Holden the way you do."
I wonder how she feels about him.
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« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2010, 07:10:31 PM »

 I have no idea how Winona feels about Holden and I don't know what that statement you quote,  in that context, means. I don't associate "Catcher in the Rye" with Winona Ryder. Other than the fact that I know it is important to her.

Does Phoebe represent who/what he wants to be?

Honest?

Is he looking out or in?

Of course that is simple, but we have to start somewhere.
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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2010, 02:32:40 PM »

This is jus great. Totally whole new perspective.

PART 1
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PART 2
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/QUnQ-wOPGUE" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/QUnQ-wOPGUE</a>
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« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2010, 03:11:34 PM »

That was fun.
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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2010, 05:36:27 PM »

Thanks, great, really great

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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2010, 09:10:56 AM »

smart guy - I wouldn't have been able to do that.
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« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2010, 10:10:05 AM »

You missed this one. Although its more of an overview it still has some interesting thought provoking questions about the book and Caulfield

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZSR8J6LUaT8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/ZSR8J6LUaT8</a>
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